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מועד קטן ב׳Moed Katan 2
Perek 2 of 3 in Moed Katan — 5 halakhot
Halakhah 1א׳
Mishnah
משנה: מִי שֶׁהָפַךְ אֶת זֵיתָיו וְאֵירְעוֹ אֵבֶל אוֹ אוֹנֶס אוֹ שֶׁהִטְעוּהוּ טוֹעֵן קוֹרָה רִאשׁוֹנָה וּמַנִּיחָהּ לְאַחַר הַמּוֹעֵד דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי יְהוּדָה. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר זוֹלֵף וְגוֹמֵר כְּדַרְכּוֹ:
MISHNAH: If one turned his olives over and mourning or an emergency happened to him, or he was mislead, loads the crossbar a first time and leaves it until after the holiday, the words of Rebbi Jehudah. Rebbi Yose says, he removes the fluid, and finishes as usual.
Halakhah
הלכה: מִי שֶׁהָפַךְ אֶת זֵיתָיו כול׳. אֲנָן תַּנִּינָן. מִי שֶׁהָפַךְ אֶת זֵיתָיו. תַּנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. מִי שֶׁהָיוּ זֵיתָיו הֲפוּכִין וּשְׁנוּיִין. מַתְנִיתָן צְרִיכָה לְרִבִּי חִיָיה וּדְרִבִּי חִיָיה צְרִיכָה לְמַתְנִיתָן.
HALAKHAH: “If one turned his olives over,” etc. We stated, “if one turned his olives over.” Rebbi Ḥiyya stated, he whose olives were turned over repeatedly. Our Mishnah needs the statement of Rebbi Ḥiyya, and the statement of Rebbi Ḥiyya needs our Mishnah.
אִילּוּ תַנִּינָן וְלָא תַנָּא רִבִּי חִיָיה הֲוִינָן אָמְרִין. לָא אֲמָרָן אֵלָּא מִי שְׁהָפְכָן (וּשְׁנָיָין. אֲבָל אִם הָפְכָן) פַּעַם אַחַת [אֲבָל אִם הָפְכָן וּשְׁנָיָין] דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל (אָסוּר) [מוּתָּר]. הֲוֵיי צוֹרְכָה לְמַתְנִיתִֵיהּ דְּרִבִּי חִיָיה. אוֹ אִילּוּ תַנָּא רִבִּי חִיָיה וְלָא תַנִּינָן אֲנָן. הֲוִינָן אָמְרִין. לָא אֲמָרָן אֵלָּא מִי שְׁהָפְכָן (פַּעַם אַחַת) [וּשְׁנָיָין]. אֲבָל אִם הָפְכָן (וּשְׁנָיָין) [פַּעַם אַחַת] דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל (מוּתָּר) [אָסוּר]. הֲוֵי צוֹרְכָא לְמַתְנִיתָן וְצוֹרְכָא לְמַתְנִיתָא דְרִבִּי חִיָיה.
Text of Scribe If we had stated but Rebbi Hiyya had not stated, we would have said, we only said if he repeatedly had turned them over, but if he turned then over once everybody agrees that it is forbidden. Therefore our Mishnah needs the statement of Rebbi Hiyya. Or if Rebbi Hiyya had stated but not we, we would have said that we only said if he turned them over once. But if he repeatedly turned them over, everybody agrees that it is permitted. Therefore there is need for our Mishnah and need for the baraita of Rebbi Hiyya. Text of Venice editor If we had stated but Rebbi Hiyya had not stated, we would have said, we only said if he had turned them over only once, but if he turned then over repeatedly everybody agrees that it is permitted. Therefore our Mishnah needs the statement of Rebbi Hiyya. Or if Rebbi Hiyya had stated but not we, we would have said that we only said if he turned them over repeatedly. But if he turned them over only once, everybody agrees that it is forbidden. Therefore there is need for our Mishnah and need for the baraita of Rebbi Hiyya.
אָמַר רִבִּי פִינְחָס בֵּירִבִּי זַכַּיי. מַתְנִיתָן בָּעֲטִינִים. מַה דְתַנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה בְּגַרְגִּרִים. רַבָּנִן דְּקַיְסָרִין אָמְרִין. מַתְנִיתָן כְּרִבִּי יוּדָה. וּמַה דְתַנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה כְרִבִּי יוֹסֵה. רִבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. יְאַבֵּד דָּבָר מְמוּעָט וְאַל יְאַבֵּד דָּבָר מְרובֶּה. רִבִּי יוֹסֵה אוֹמֵר. אַל יְאַבֵּד דָּבָר כָּל עִיקָּר.
Rebbi Phineas ben Rebbi Zakkai said, our Mishnah is about macerated ones, what Rebbi Ḥiyya stated is about berries. The rabbis of Caesarea are saying, the Mishnah follows Rebbi Jehudah, what Rebbi Ḥiyya stated follows Rebbi Yose. Rebbi Jehudah said, small amounts may be lost so large amounts would not be lost; Rebbi Yose says, nothing at all shall be lost.
רִבִּי יוּדָה בַּר פָּזִי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. כְּשֵׁם שֶׁהֵן חֲלוּקִין כָּאן כָּךְ הֵן חֲלוּקִין בְּהִילְכוֹת אֶבֶל. דְּתַנֵּי. אֵילּוּ דְבָרִים שֶׁעוֹשִׂין לָאָבֵל בִּימֵי אֶבְלוֹ. דּוֹרְכִין אֶת עֲבִטוֹ. וְזוֹלְפִין אֵת יֵינוֹ. וְגָפִין אֵת חָבִיוֹתָיו. וְזֵיתָיו הֲפוּכִין וּשְׁנוּיִין טוֹחְנָן כְּדַרְכָּן. וּמַשְׁקִין בֵּית הַשְּׁלָחִין שֶׁלּוֹ בְּשֶׁהִגִּיעַ זְמַנּוֹ לִשְׁתּוֹת. וְזוֹרְעִין אֶת נִירוֹ פִּשְׁתָּן בִּרְבִיעָה. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי יוּדָה. אָמְרוּ לוֹ. אִם אֵינָהּ נִזְרַעַת פִּשְׁתָּן תִּזָּרַע מִין אַחֵר. אִם אֵינָהּ נִזְרַעַת בְּשַׁבָּת זוֹ תִּזָּרַע בְּשַׁבָּת אֲחֶרֶת. מָנוּ אָמְרוּ לוֹ. רִבִּי יוֹסֵה. מִחְלְפָה שִׁיטָּתִיהּ דְּרִבִּי יוּדָה. תַּמָּן הוּא אָמַר. יְאַבֵּד דָּבָר מְמוּעָט וְאַל יְאַבֵּד דָּבָר מְרובֶּה. וָכָא אָמַר הָכֵין. שַׁנְיָיא הִיא. תַּמָּן שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לְהַעֲרִים. וְכָל שֶׁכֵּן מִחְלְפָה שִׁיטָּתִיהּ דְּרִבִּי יוּדָה. מָה אִית תַּמָּן שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לְהַעֲרִים אַתְּ אָמַר מוּתָּר. כָּאן שֶׁאֵין דַּרְכּוֹ לְהַעֲרִים לֹא כָל שֶׁכֵּן. אָמַר רִבִּי חִינְנָא. מָנוּ אָמְרוּ לוֹ. חֲכָמִים. שֶׁהֵן בְּשִׁיטַּת רִבִּי יוּדָה בַּמּוֹעֵד.
Rebbi Jehudah bar Pazi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: Just as they differ here they differ in the rules of mourning. As it was stated: The following things one does for the mourner in his mourning period. One presses his vat, and stirs his wine, and plugs his amphoras, and his repeatedly turned olives one grinds as usual, and one waters his irrigated fields if it is time for them to be irrigated, and one sows his field flax at the start of the rainy season, the words of Rebbi Jehudah. They told him, if it is not sown with flax it can be sown with another kind; if it was not sown in this week it can be sown in another week. Who is “they told him”? Rebbi Yose. The argument of Rebbi Jehudah seems inverted. There he said, small amounts may be lost so large amounts not be lost, and here he says so? There is a difference since there he is wont to be tricky. So much more the argument of Rebbi Jehudah seems inverted, since there where he is wont to be tricky he says it is permitted, here where he is not wont to be tricky, not so much more? Rebbi Ḥinnena said, who is “they told him”? The Sages following Rebbi Jehudah’s argument for the holiday.
Halakhah 2ב׳
Mishnah
משנה: וְכֵן מִי שֶׁהָיָה יֵינוֹ בְּתוֹךְ הַבּוֹר וְאֵירְעוֹ אֵבֶל אוֹ אוֹנֶס אוֹ שֶׁהִטְעוּהוּ זוֹלֵף וְגוֹמֵר וְגָף כְּדַרְכּוֹ דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. רִבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר עוֹשֶׂה לוֹ לִימּוּדִים בִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁלֹּא יַחְמִיץ:
MISHNAH: Similarly, if his wine was in the cistern and mourning or an emergency happened to him, or he was mislead, he may stir and treat and plug normally, the words of Rebbi Yose. Rebbi Jehudah says, he makes planks for it so it should not turn into vinegar.
Halakhah
הלכה: אָמַר רִבִּי זְעוּרָה. לֹא אָמַר אֶלָּא וְכֵן מִי שֶׁהָיָה יֵינוֹ בְּתוֹךְ הַבּוֹר. הָא כַתְּחִילָּה אָסוּר. מָה אֲנָן קַיָימִין. אִם בְּשֶׁהִגִּיעַ זְמַנּוֹ לִבְצוֹר וְלָא בָצַר הוּא חָטָא עַל נַפְשֵׁיהּ. אִם בְּשֶׁלֹּא הִגִּיעַ זְמַנּוֹ לִבְצוֹר יְכִיל הֲוָה קָאִים. אֶלָּא כִי נָן קַיָימִין בְּשֶׁהִגִּיעַ זְמַנּוֹ לִבְצוֹר הֲוָה סָבַר דּוּ יְכִיל קַיִים וְלָא קָם. כְּהָדָא רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֵּירִבִּי יַנַּיי קְטַף כַּרְמִיהּ בְּמּוֹעֲדָא. חֲמוּנֵיהּ כָּל עַמָּא וְקָטְפוֹן בַּתְרֵיהּ בְּשַׁתָּא חוֹרִיתָא שָׂבְקֵיהּ וַיִּבָשׁ. יָלְפוּן מְקַלְקַלְתָּא וּמְתַקְנָתָא לֹא יָלְפוּן.
HALAKHAH: Rebbi Ze`ira said, it only says “if his wine was in the cistern.” Therefore to start is forbidden. Where do we hold? If it was time to harvest the grapes and he did not harvest, he caused the damage to himself. If it was not time for the grape harvest, what could he have done? But we must hold that the time for the grape harvest arrived and he thought that he could finish but he could not. As the following: Rebbi Simeon ben Rebbi Yannai harvested his vineyard on the holiday. Everybody saw him and harvested after him. In another year he left it and it dried up. They are learning the wrong behavior but are not learning the correct behavior.
רַב חִיָיה בַּר אַשִּׁי בְשֵׁם רַב. הוֹהֲרָא שָׁרִי מֵיעַבְדִּינָהּ בְּמוֹעֲדָא לָצוּד בָּהּ דָגִים בַּמּוֹעֵד. רַב יְהוּדָה הוֹרֵי בְּאִילֵּין מָהוּלַיָיא שָׁרִי מֵעַבְדִּינָוֹן בְּמוֹעֲדָא לְצוֹרֶךְ הַמּוֹעֵד. רִבִּי אִמִּי הוֹרֵי בָּאִילֵּין פּוֹמְפַּיָיא שָׁרִי מֵיעַבְדִּינָוֹן בְּמוֹעֲדָא לְצוֹרֶךְ הַמּוֹעֵד. רַבָּנִן דְּקַיְסָרִין אָמְרֵי. מַסִּיקִין לָפַּסִּין וּקְדֵירוֹת לְצוֹרֶךְ הַמּוֹעֵד. שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר. זָפְתִין גַּרְבָּא וְלָא זָפְתִין כּוּזְתָא. זָפְתִין גַּרְבָּא. דְּזִיפְתָא דַקְדְּקִירָא. וְלָא זָפְתִין כּוּזְתָא. דְּזִיפְתָא גְלִידָא. אִית דִּמְחַלְּפִין. זָפְתִין כּוּזְתָא וְלָא זָפְתִין גַּרְבָּא. זָפְתִין כּוּזְתָא. שֶׁהִיא לְשָׁעָה. וְלָא זָפְתִין גַּרְבָּא. שֶׁהִיא לִשְׁהוֹת.
Rav Ḥiyya bar Ashi in the name of Rav: One is permitted to knit a net on the holiday to catch fish on the holiday. Rav Jehudah instructed that sieves may be made on the holiday for the needs of the holiday. Rebbi Immi instructed that pompa may be made on the holiday for the needs of the holiday. The rabbis of Caesarea are saying, one fires pans and pots for the needs of the holiday. Samuel said, one pitches barrels but one does not pitch pitchers. One pitches barrels since the pitch is thin; one does not pitch pitchers since the pitch is glazed. Some do switch: one pitches pitchers but one does not pitch barrels. One pitches pitchers since this is for immediate use; one does not pitch barrels, since this is for storage.
The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer, De Gruyter 1999–2015, via Sefaria — CC BY
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